“We are not looking for an immigration pushed by the mafias”

The Minister of Overseas Affairs, Arancha González Laya, has been in Barcelona this week on the V Regional Discussion board of the Union for the Mediterranean (UfM), a discussion board that she advocates to search out options to the a number of issues going through the area. Migratory actions are certainly one of them.

-Twenty-five years after the Barcelona course of, the Mediterranean continues to be an area of instability, dying, migration, terrorism. What can Europe now provide to that southern shore?
-Twenty-five years of dialogue between the 2 shores of the Mediterranean have had moments of progress, a lift in commerce, in funding, there was an consciousness of points such because the surroundings, however it’s true that a lot stays to be executed. We need to construct the following 25 years on 4 elementary axes: the joint combat towards local weather change, higher competitiveness for our economies, the combat towards inequalities and respect for freedoms and equality between women and men.

-Canarias has been affected by robust migratory strain for a month. Is that this a failure of European migration coverage?
-What we are attempting to do is construct this immigration and asylum coverage in Europe. And to construct it at a time when there’s a new migratory strain, generated above all by the financial difficulties created by the COVID disaster, which is creating quite a few pockets of poverty and unemployment that’s main many younger individuals to migration. Spain doesn’t need to shut its borders, however neither does it need disorderly, irregular immigration, pushed by mafias. We’re very clear that collectively we’ve to combat towards networks that visitors in individuals. And after I say collectively they don’t seem to be solely Europeans, but in addition with the nations of origin and transit. We now have to be extra decided in our assist to the nations of the South that want to enhance their economies. It’s an agenda by which Europe first has to construct consensus and which has to dialogue with the nations of origin and transit.

-However Europe has been attempting for years to construct that European immigration coverage and what exists now’s a brand new proposal on which Spain and the nations of the south agree …
– It’s a proposal that we need to enhance, and among the many parts for enchancment is the factor of solidarity and that’s the reason we’ve placed on the desk a proposal with Greece, Italy and Malta. Between Spain and Italy we symbolize 25% of the European inhabitants, 25% of the European GDP and we modestly imagine that we’ve one thing to say on this dialogue. In a constructive and agency approach.

– Do you admire the dearth of solidarity from different nations?
-On this pact we’ve to discover a steadiness between accountability and solidarity and it appears to us that the proposal doesn’t discover that steadiness, which clearly seems totally different if one is in Spain or Italy or is in Austria or Slovenia, to offer these examples.

Is Spain contemplating requesting the deployment of a European naval power as prior to now?
-We now have requested for the assist of worldwide organizations corresponding to UNHCR or the Worldwide Group for Migration to assist us particularly in figuring out the migrants who arrive. We’re very clear that we’ve commitments to meet with those that request asylum or who could fall throughout the assumptions of refuge. We now have additionally requested the assist of Frontex to assist enhance the management of irregular boat departures from the coasts of the Atlantic coast. We’re ready for a solution.

-A fast reply…
-Spain along with Morocco, Mauritania, Senegal, Gambia, Guinea, we’re already engaged on the management of maritime area. Within the case of Mauritania and Senegal, we’ve vessels and air property deployed, patrolling collectively. We aren’t ranging from scratch. We search to strengthen the signifies that exist already and that had been created after the final migration disaster in 2006, by which we discovered that one of many keys to managing migration is a really shut relationship with the nations of origin and transit.

-How is Spain following what has been taking place within the Sahara for just a few days, after the deployment of Moroccan forces within the Guerguerat cross?
-Spain follows with a dialogue with all of the forces and nations involved and we accomplish that in search of a dialogue with the Secretary Normal of the United Nations in order that he can appoint his consultant for Western Sahara. That place has been vacant for 18 months. We all know the target as a result of it’s included in quite a few United Nations resolutions, however we lack a course of to channel the totally different events on this challenge. That is the place Spain is placing all its efforts, dialoguing with the Secretary Normal, dialoguing with Morocco, Algeria and Mauritania and with the member nations of the UN Safety Council.

-And this dialogue doesn’t embrace Sahrawi representatives?
-In fact we’ve a dialogue with everybody. It appears to us that so as to channel and assist the Secretary Normal, we should communicate with everybody and we accomplish that usually, as we’ve at all times executed.

Do not you assume that Spain ought to play a extra lively main function in in search of options and never delegate solely to the UN?
– The central function within the decision of the political query is performed by the United Nations, the identical because it has within the Israeli-Palestinian battle or Libya. In that a part of the dialogue we’re at all times supporting the efforts of the secretary common. Then there’s one other viewpoint, which is the humanitarian. Spain is a dedicated nation and yearly we assist the inhabitants in order that they’ll have entry to satisfy their wants. We do it as a part of a global solidarity by which Spain does have a management function.

-Venezuela holds legislative elections subsequent week, with little prospect of fixing the political battle, which has develop into entrenched. Given what occurred, would not it look like the popularity of Juan Guaidó two years in the past as president in cost was hasty?
-It’s a bit simple to rewrite historical past with what we all know immediately, however the fact is that little progress has been made in political negotiations. This can be a pending topic to which we should pay specific consideration. We now have a brand new American Administration arriving on the White Home with which we may also search a dialogue on this challenge.

-For Spain, is Guaidó now chief of the opposition or president in cost?
For us it has at all times been each. They’re the 2 roles that he has at all times had. However past what Juan Guaidó represents, the query we should ask ourselves is how Spain, the EU and the worldwide neighborhood can promote a political negotiation in Venezuela.

How is the connection with the Authorities of Nicolás Maduro?
-Relationships have channels of dialogue, dialogue and still have moments of disagreement. It’s clear that there are points on which we don’t agree and typically we categorical them in a barely extra vocal approach than others. There are a lot of issues that we don’t agree on, however that doesn’t stop us from speaking.

-One other troublesome challenge, the ‘Brexit’. Do you continue to belief an settlement?
-Spain clearly bets on an settlement. In these moments of nice instability, of monumental turbulence, our accountability is so as to add stability. And which means agreeing, reaching an settlement. And to succeed in an settlement on the longer term relationship between the UK and the EU but in addition to succeed in an settlement between the UK and Spain relating to Gibraltar. That’s the reason Spain is just not going to surrender its efforts to succeed in an settlement. We are going to chase him to the final second. I need to assume that the UK additionally shares our aim. Particularly as a result of if there isn’t a settlement on January 1, 2021, the border of the European Union shall be in Gibraltar and there’s no going again.

Are you additionally ready for a deal to unlock the European restoration fund?
-Europe as a complete is aware of the significance of the Group finances and restoration funds, not just for Spain or Italy, but in addition for Poland and Hungary, for the economic system of the European Union. We all know that the one approach out of this disaster is to make a collective funding. I need to assume that as at all times there shall be a tug of warfare, however we are able to lastly attain an settlement with which we are able to launch this fund in early 2021.

What do you anticipate from the following Biden Administration?
-We anticipate a decided imposition on multilateralism and a decided impulse to the transatlantic relationship, a relationship so essential for our nation and for the European Union as a complete, which has lacked a compass for a while and which have to be endowed with a brand new strategic goal, which might be to rehumanize globalization.



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